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Ancient iron shaving tools ????
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kangarooistan
2009-04-25 07:42:41 UTC
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i am looking for images of ancient shaving tool made of iron with sq
hafting

I see a relative modern cut throat razor has " some " possible
similarities to a iron " tool ' I recently discovered , i was
wondering what it was and how old it was and what it was doing in
outback Australia in cemented river gravel conglomerate suggesting its
probably pre European

Its badly rusted but its design and shape have several design
similarities to the old cut throat razor

The size is similar

The angles of the cutting edge in relation to the handle are similar
and not many other cutting tools would use this size and angle of
handle to cutting edge

Granted recent cut throat razors were folded and therefore adjustable

The old iron tool I have is fixed at a set angle

with a ridge built into the non cutting edges for reinforcement of
the thin blade similar to the non cutting edge in this image
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The iron tool is halfted with a very neat SQ hole to take a handle
that is missing , but its not robust enough to be for cutting wood
IMHO , except perhaps for finishing off work like a plane ,
perhaps , it is a halfted tool meaning it has a hole to receive the
handle ,

Images of halfted iron roman tools
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There are tiny lips /edges , that may be designed to collect the
shavings like a small dust pan , in design principle , and or
reinforce the thin blade similar to this design concept that suggests
a collection of shavings was involved , possibly
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This seems to confirm its use as a shaving tool IMHO

It could not be used for much else , it seems to be for shaving ,
timber or perhaps humans hair , perhaps for shaping boomerangs ?????
http://images.google.com.au/images?hl=en&safe=off&rlz=1B3GGGL_enAU291AU291&um=1&sa=1&q=egyptian+boomerang&btnG=Search+Images&aq=f&oq=

as a side issue , Australian boomerangs are not universally used
across the continent , they ARE used in a way that places this iron
tool, comfortably within the australian boomerang use
geographically , they have been dated to 10,000 years

King Tutankhamun, the famous Pharaoh of ancient Egypt, who died
over 3,000 years ago, owned a collection of boomerangs of both the
straight flying (hunting) and returning variety.[5]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boomerang#History

Do you know of any ancient iron tools used as razors for shaving ,
with square halfted handle holes , with unusual angle of blade to
handle , with reinforced edges ?????

I know copper was used at one time ,

When did iron razors start being used ??

Interesting radio carbon dating iron and rust worth looking into
http://www.tms.org/pubs/journals/JOM/0305/Cook-0305.html

kanga
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kangarooistan
2009-04-26 18:09:41 UTC
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Post by kangarooistan
i am looking for images of ancient shaving tool made of iron with sq
hafting
I see a relative modern cut throat razor has " some "  possible
similarities to a iron " tool '  I recently discovered , i was
wondering what it was and how old it was and what it was doing in
outback Australia in cemented river gravel conglomerate suggesting its
probably pre European
Its badly rusted but its design and shape have several  design
similarities to the old cut throat razor
The size is similar
The angles of the cutting edge in relation to the handle are similar
and not many other cutting tools would use this size and angle of
handle to cutting edge
Granted recent cut throat razors were folded and therefore adjustable
The old iron tool I have is fixed at a set angle
  with a ridge built into the non cutting edges for reinforcement of
the thin blade similar to the non cutting edge in this imagehttp://www.thelifeofluxury.com/images/damscene_razor_from_hommage.jpg
The iron tool is halfted with a very neat SQ hole to take a handle
that is missing , but its not robust enough to be for cutting wood
IMHO , except perhaps for finishing off  work like a plane  ,
perhaps , it is a halfted tool meaning it has a hole to receive the
handle ,
Images of halfted iron roman toolshttp://earthsci.org/mineral/mindep/ancient_mine/tools2.gif
There are  tiny lips /edges  , that may be designed to collect the
shavings like a small dust pan ,  in  design principle ,  and or
reinforce the thin blade similar to this design concept that suggests
a collection of shavings  was involved , possiblyhttp://www.dargate.com/224_auction/224_pics/64.jpg
This seems to confirm its use  as a shaving tool IMHO
It could not be used for much else , it seems to be for shaving ,
timber or perhaps humans hair , perhaps for shaping boomerangs ?????http://images.google.com.au/images?hl=en&safe=off&rlz=1B3GGGL_enAU291...
as a side issue , Australian boomerangs are not universally used
across the continent  , they ARE used in a way that places this iron
tool, comfortably within  the australian boomerang use
geographically  , they have been dated to 10,000 years
    King Tutankhamun, the famous Pharaoh of ancient Egypt, who died
over 3,000 years ago, owned a collection of boomerangs of both the
straight flying (hunting) and returning variety.[5]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boomerang#History
Do you know of any ancient iron tools used as razors  for shaving ,
with  square halfted handle holes , with unusual angle of blade to
handle , with reinforced edges  ?????
I know copper was used at one time ,
When did iron razors start  being used ??
Interesting radio carbon dating iron and rust worth looking intohttp://www.tms.org/pubs/journals/JOM/0305/Cook-0305.html
kanga
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This tool does not seem robust enough for rock or timber

It seems to be for cutting , but perhaps shaving , if you carefully
think about the angles used in razors over the years
http://mail.google.com/mail/h/9c8k6m41k4i6/?view=att&th=120e0fd6c757ddc7&attid=0.1&disp=inline&zw

Note the angles used by barbers when shaving with a cut throat razor
http://mail.google.com/mail/h/9c8k6m41k4i6/?view=att&th=120e0fd6c757ddc7&attid=0.1&disp=inline&zw
http://images.google.com.au/images?client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&hl=en&q=cut+throat+razor+shaving&btnG=Search+Images&gbv=2&aq=f&oq=

note the angles of modern disposables
http://images.google.com.au/images?client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&hl=en&q=modern+disposable+razors&btnG=Search+Images&gbv=2&aq=f&oq=

note the right angle razors that were popular last century
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1847 – Henson's Guard Razors
On January 10, 1847, William Samuel Henson of Somerset, England
filed for a patent showing a detachable comb tooth guard for a
straight folding razor and another razor employing a similar guard “…
the cutting blade which of which is at right angles with the handle,
and resembles somewhat the form of a common hoe.” The handle was
attached by screwing it into a tapped hole in a short forged blade.
This may have been first patent for a hoe-type guard razor and
one of the first razors to use a short section of a straight razor as
a blade. Henson specifically says that he does not claim as new “the
use or adaptation of a guard or protector to the ordinary razor,” but
does claim a new method of attaching the guard. Henson's guard
appears to extended slightly below the the blade edge..


An L-shaped guard razor using a short single-edge forged blade
was described in 1874 and 1875 British patents awarded to John Monks
of Gloucester, England. A U.S. patent was issued in 1878. A simple
design, it could be made from a single piece of sheet metal. It was
“intended for shaving the beard, but may be employed for trimming the
hair, or removing the same from the skin of any animal.” Perhaps this
wording from the patent suggested the somewhat disrespectful term
'pig-scraper'

OMG a roller razor even had a try , good on round heads
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