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Tut's Tomb has a Queen's Floorplan
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Jaunty Akhenaten
2009-08-25 05:55:20 UTC
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It seems obvious, due to the fact that Tut's tomb has a floor plan
straight out of the Valley of the Queens, this burial place was
recycled from somebody else?

Was Nefertiti moved out, to create space for young Tut?
wb
2009-08-25 19:51:42 UTC
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Post by Jaunty Akhenaten
It seems obvious, due to the fact that Tut's tomb has a floor plan
straight out of the Valley of the Queens, this burial place was
recycled from somebody else?
Was Nefertiti moved out, to create space for young Tut?
Not to mention the fact that Nefertiti was never ensconced with her
Aten-channelling ex, and quite possibly commissioned a spot in the
Valley of the Kings after assuming the new role of "Smenkhare" while
both were still living.

Perhaps the pharoah had an obvious life-threatening illness which
necessitated a power-transfer to his spouse.
JTEM
2009-08-26 05:24:24 UTC
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Post by Jaunty Akhenaten
It seems obvious, due to the fact that Tut's tomb has a
floor plan straight out of the Valley of the Queens, this
burial place was recycled from somebody else?
So you're arguing that they moved it, or what?

It has traditionally been claimed that Tut was given a tomb
intended for someone else (probably Ay), that Ay was
buried in what was supposed to be Tut's tomb.
Post by Jaunty Akhenaten
Was Nefertiti moved out, to create space for young Tut?
No.
 Not to mention the fact that Nefertiti was never ensconced with her
Aten-channelling ex,
What the hell is that supposed to mean?
and quite possibly commissioned a spot in the
Valley of the Kings after assuming the new role of "Smenkhare"
while both were still living.
*Yawn*
tam weights
2009-09-11 20:31:21 UTC
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So you're arguing that they moved it, or what?
It has traditionally been claimed that Tut was given a tomb
intended for someone else (probably Ay), that Ay was
buried in what was supposed to be Tut's tomb.
To me, the floorplan, along with the items found recently in a nearby
pit, should lead somebody to guess that female royaly originally
inhabited the space later assigned to Tut.
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Post by Jaunty Akhenaten
Was Nefertiti moved out, to create space for young Tut?
No.
Why not?
Post by JTEM
What the hell is that supposed to mean?
What if it wasn't Ay that was moved, but archaeology continues to
believe that it was?

Even if the evidence proves otherwise?

It would mean that some Egyptologists might not be doing their job
properly, I would say!
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*Yawn*
It's all just glorified grave-robbing anyway, so the whole process
falls under The Shadow somewhat. And one should be very cautious about
which mummy is nearby, one should happen to snooze...
JTEM
2009-09-11 21:34:24 UTC
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To me, the floorplan, along with the items found
recently in a nearby pit,
The floorplan is easily found online, but what specific
items are you referring to?
Post by tam weights
should lead somebody to guess that female royaly
originally inhabited the space later assigned to Tut.
And you're thinking Nefertiti?
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Post by Jaunty Akhenaten
Was Nefertiti moved out, to create space for young Tut?
No.
Why not?
Though it would be difficult to know anything with certainty, it
appears that she died in Amarna and was buried there. Could
she have been moved? Absolutely. But, why move her only to
move her again?

And do you give any credence to Joann Fletcher's theory?

I think it more likely that the tombs of Tut's predecessors were
looted -- including Nefertiti's -- in order to stock Tut's.

Who knows? This may have been common practice throughout
Egyptian history.
Katherine Griffis-Greenberg
2009-09-25 13:46:30 UTC
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Post by Jaunty Akhenaten
It seems obvious, due to the fact that Tut's tomb has a floor plan
straight out of the Valley of the Queens, this burial place was
recycled from somebody else?
KV 62 is a noble's tomb, which was adapted for the king's burial.
This is explained at the Theban Mapping Project site: <http://
thebanmappingproject.com/sites/browse_tomb_876.html> Similarly
designed nobles' tombs in the King's Valley include KV 45 (Userhet),
KV 46 (Yuya and Thuya), KV 21 (burial of two unknown noblewomen); KV
27 (burial of unknown nobleman), KV 39 (same), and KV 42 (Sennefer,
Mayor of Thebes during reign of Amenhotep II).
Post by Jaunty Akhenaten
Was Nefertiti moved out, to create space for young Tut?
KV 62 was an unused tomb before the interment of Tutankhamun, as it
was not finished. When it was decide to use it for the young king's
burial, a burial chamber with side chamber was cut into the right
(north) end of the first chamber.

KV 62 is also a cache tomb: that is, items included in the burial
belonged to the Amarna royal family and were not specifically objects
owned by Tutankhamun. the same could be said of KV 55, which at one
time included the bodies of Queen Tiye, a young man (probably
Smenkhkare), and possibly Akhenaten (as magic bricks bearing his name
are also found in the tomb). This tomb was likely stripped of most of
its grave good during the Ramesside period, when Tiye's body was
removed (though her burial shrine was left behind, mainly because it
had Atenist imagery) and reinterred in the tomb of Amenhotep III (KV
22 in the western side of the Valley).

For more information on Valley of the King tomb sites and plans, see:

Theban Mapping Project <http://thebanmappingproject.com/>

On the various tombs in the Valley of the Kings and their owners, see:

Reeves, C. N. 1990. _The Valley of the Kings: The Decline of a Royal
Necropolis_. London: Kegan Paul International.

Reeves, N. and R. H. Wilkinson 1996. _The Complete Valley of the
Kings: Tombs and Treasures of Egypt's Greatest Pharaohs_. London:
Thames and Hudson.

Regards --

Katherine Griffis-Greenberg, MA (Lon)
Member, International Association of Egyptologists
American Research Center in Egypt, ASOR, EES, SSEA

Oriental Institute
Oriental Studies Doctoral Program [Egyptology]
Oxford University
Oxford, United Kingdom

http://www.griffis-consulting.com
coach yucatan buchannan
2009-10-30 05:27:00 UTC
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Post by Jaunty Akhenaten
It seems obvious, due to the fact that Tut's tomb has a floor plan
straight out of the Valley of the Queens, this burial place was
recycled from somebody else?
KV 62 is a noble's tomb, which was adapted for the king's burial.
This is explained at the Theban Mapping Project site: <http://
thebanmappingproject.com/sites/browse_tomb_876.html> Similarly
designed nobles' tombs in the King's Valley include KV 45 (Userhet),
KV 46 (Yuya and Thuya), KV 21 (burial of two unknown noblewomen); KV
27 (burial of unknown nobleman), KV 39 (same), and KV 42 (Sennefer,
Mayor of Thebes during reign of Amenhotep II).
Post by Jaunty Akhenaten
Was Nefertiti moved out, to create space for young Tut?
KV 62 was an unused tomb before the interment of Tutankhamun, as it
was not finished. When it was decide to use it for the young king's
burial, a burial chamber with side chamber was cut into the right
(north) end of the first chamber.
KV 62 is also a cache tomb: that is, items included in the burial
belonged to the Amarna royal family and were not specifically objects
owned by Tutankhamun. the same could be said of KV 55, which at one
time included the bodies of Queen Tiye, a young man (probably
Smenkhkare), and possibly Akhenaten (as magic bricks bearing his name
are also found in the tomb). This tomb was likely stripped of most of
its grave good during the Ramesside period, when Tiye's body was
removed (though her burial shrine was left behind, mainly because it
had Atenist imagery) and reinterred in the tomb of Amenhotep III (KV
22 in the western side of the Valley).
Theban Mapping Project <http://thebanmappingproject.com/>
Reeves, C. N. 1990. _The Valley of the Kings: The Decline of a Royal
Necropolis_. London: Kegan Paul International.
Reeves, N. and R. H. Wilkinson 1996. _The Complete Valley of the
Thames and Hudson.
Regards --
Katherine Griffis-Greenberg, MA (Lon)
Member, International Association of Egyptologists
American Research Center in Egypt, ASOR, EES, SSEA
Oriental Institute
Oriental Studies Doctoral Program [Egyptology]
Oxford University
Oxford, United Kingdom
http://www.griffis-consulting.com
Thanks for the help.

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