kangarooistan
2009-04-29 13:27:39 UTC
Of course he did , he was the most respected scholar in Egypt in his
day , so WHY do we assume he did not know ,and drew the most famous
detailed map upside down
TOPOGRAPHIC AND GEOLOGIC CONTENT OF THE MAP
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note south appears at top of Ancient Egyptian maps
The Turin papyrus map is notable for being the only
topographic map to survive from ancient Egypt and also for being one
of the earliest maps in the world with real geographic content.
Although there are a few older topographic maps from outside Egypt,
they are all quite crude and rather abstract in comparison to the
relatively modern-looking map drawn on the Turin papyrus. This map
shows a 15 km stretch of Wadi Hammamat (‘Valley of Many Baths’) in the
central part of Egypt’s Eastern Desert (Figure 1).
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The top is oriented toward the south and the source of the Nile River
with west on the right side , and east to the sea is left.
Its confusing for the modern eye to reverse the map , hence my claim
the famous " gold mine ' depicted is not in Egypt , as it was made he
by the most famous Egyptologist of his day and he was an eye witness
and no fool , he knew which way was to the sea and which way was south
[ top ]
This is PROOF the gold mine pictured is NOT in Egypt , two roads
marked as going to the sea are going in the wrong direction
Number1 Translation
1 the road that leads to the sea
2 another road that leads to the sea
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There is no constant scale used on the map, but by comparison with
the actual distances in Wadi Hamamat it is evident that the scale
varies between 50 and 100 m for each 1 cm on the map.
The map of interest " the gold mine "
sections A to d cover about 75 x 45 cm
About 7500 x 4500 meters max , perhaps half that
The Turin Papyrus is reported to be a 2 meters long mining map
I claim the left hand section , is different and unrelated to the
rest , it even looks different , I only hold interest in section
marked A , but B , C and D are probable from the same map often
refered to as ' The Gold mine " from the written messages it
contains , the rest are of no interest to me as they refer to mining
stone
the original fragments identified , only the first 4 interest me
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There is writing on the reverse that maybe totally unrelated
recycling of the old maps , of no interest to me ?
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I claim I know a site that fits the map on the left , in every
detail, and the buildings , roads ,river , hills and valleys and the
features near the center , as marked , are identifiable still ,The
Turin Papyrus looks as if It was an artists reconstruction drawn
very recently
it is NOT in Egypt
It is in South Australia
Yes I know you have heard this sort of claim before
but if you keep an open mind and examine the FACTS , they claim
there is a site in Egypt , I claim the site is in South Australia
One of us is wrong , the sites can be examined , If it fits like a
glove on this end , in minute detail and there is no site in Egypt
that even closely fits its worth digging around a bit to ask WHY
Once both sites are EXAMINED , then laugh at why nobody noticed
before , the far left map is different to the rest , why assume the
section at the start / left / fragments A, B, C and D are the same
area as the other sections , they have nothing in common but mining ,
and i dont recognize them
Turin papyrus in color with description
http://www.eeescience.utoledo.edu/Faculty/Harrell/Egypt/Turin%20Papyrus/Harrell_Papyrus_Map_text.htm
Turin papyrus computer image
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The Egyptian Topographic map of the site
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the Egyptian site with scripts numbered and laid out on the
topographic map
http://www.eeescience.utoledo.edu/Faculty/Harrell/Egypt/Turin%20Papyrus/Harrell_Papyrus_Map_fig-9.jpg
.
Table 1: Translations of the hieratic texts on the map side of the
Turin papyrus (adapted from Harrell and Brown 1992: Table 1)
http://www.eeescience.utoledo.edu/Faculty/Harrell/Egypt/Turin%20Papyrus/Harrell_Papyrus_Map_table-1.htm
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Text
Number1 Translation
1 the road that leads to the sea
2 another road that leads to the sea
3 the road of Tent-p-mer [the translation of the last word
is uncertain –
it may be the name of an unknown locality or it may mean ‘treasurer’
or ‘harbor’]
4 mountains of gold
5 mountains of gold
6 the houses of the gold-working settlement
7 cistern [or ‘water reservoir’; the text is written
on top of the water sign]
8 stela of Menma’atre, life, health and prosperity! [king
Sety I, 1290-1279 BC,
of the New Kingdom’s 19th Dynasty]2
9 the road of Ta-menti [the last word is apparently the
name of an unknown locality]
10 the shrine of Amun of the pure mountain
11 the mountains in which gold is worked, they are
colored pink
12 mountains of gold and silver [or perhaps ‘mountains of
electrum’, where electrum is a natural mixture of gold and silver]=
green gold
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gold#Color_of_gold
13 …the hill of Amun
14 the hill where Amun rests
15 [not translatable; appears to be part of a name for
some locality]
16 [too fragmentary to translate, but it appears to be
comments on travel from one unnamed locality to another; a travel
time of ‘one day’ and ‘gold’ are mentioned]
16’ mountains of gold [appears to be a continuation of 16 but
is a separate text]
17 distance from the gold-working settlement to the mountain
of bekheny,…khet
[this text is repeated three times, apparently for emphasis; the
distance in units of khet is missing]3,4
Besides being a topographic map of surprisingly modern aspect, the
Turin papyrus is also a geologic map because it accurately shows the
geographic distribution of different rock types (the black hills with
Hammamat siliciclastics, and the pink hills with Dokhan volcanics,
Atalla serpentinite and Fawakhir granite) and the lithologically
diverse wadi gravel (the brown, green and white dots within the main
valley that represent different kinds of rocks), and it also contains
information on quarrying and mining (see Table 2 for a description of
the geologic units).
Additionally notable are the representation of iron-stained, gold-
bearing quartz veins with three radiating bands on the pink hill above
the gold-mining settIement on fragment A (beneath text 5), and text 11
on fragment A, which reads very much like a legend on modern geologic
maps by explaining what the pink coloring represents.
The Turin papyrus is the oldest known geologic map in the world and
it is all the more remarkable considering that it would be another
2900 years before the next geologic map was made and this was in
France during the mid-1700’s.
There is no reason to think, however, that the ancient author
intentionally set out to make a geologic map. From the colors used for
the hills and wadi gravel, it is evident that he merely drew what he
literally saw in the desert – the real hills and surface gravels have
the same general colors as those on the map (Table 2).
THE MAP’S AUTHOR AND PURPOSE
The map was made about 1150 BC by the well-known ‘Scribe of the Tomb‘
Amennakhte, son of Ipuy (Figure 11).
Although Amennakhte did not sign his name to the map, it is clear
that he is its author. There are two pieces of evidence that support
this identification.
First, the text on the map side is in Amennakhte’s distinctive
handwriting, which is well known to Egyptologists who have studied his
many other writings. And second, the first and earliest text on the
backside of the papyrus (the first one listed in Table 3) was written
and signed by Amennakhte. It is not at all surprising that Amennakhte
would have made the map
and have spent many decades examining the very unusual features at
this site ,every year growing more and more convinced it is indeed a
VERY large , VERY old mine site , predating European settlement by a
VERY long time
such identical natural and man made features being so similar ,
considering its nature who makes the site
There can be no doubt at all on my end , this IS a map of a mine site
in South Australia
This map called the Turin Papyrus the far left panel , is indeed in
South Australia
Do laugh too loud , Im 100% sure , but I know you need more
evidence , that WILL take a while but ,
WATCH THIS SPACE
kanga
======
day , so WHY do we assume he did not know ,and drew the most famous
detailed map upside down
TOPOGRAPHIC AND GEOLOGIC CONTENT OF THE MAP
Loading Image...
note south appears at top of Ancient Egyptian maps
The Turin papyrus map is notable for being the only
topographic map to survive from ancient Egypt and also for being one
of the earliest maps in the world with real geographic content.
Although there are a few older topographic maps from outside Egypt,
they are all quite crude and rather abstract in comparison to the
relatively modern-looking map drawn on the Turin papyrus. This map
shows a 15 km stretch of Wadi Hammamat (‘Valley of Many Baths’) in the
central part of Egypt’s Eastern Desert (Figure 1).
=============================================================
The top is oriented toward the south and the source of the Nile River
with west on the right side , and east to the sea is left.
Its confusing for the modern eye to reverse the map , hence my claim
the famous " gold mine ' depicted is not in Egypt , as it was made he
by the most famous Egyptologist of his day and he was an eye witness
and no fool , he knew which way was to the sea and which way was south
[ top ]
This is PROOF the gold mine pictured is NOT in Egypt , two roads
marked as going to the sea are going in the wrong direction
Number1 Translation
1 the road that leads to the sea
2 another road that leads to the sea
==============================================================
There is no constant scale used on the map, but by comparison with
the actual distances in Wadi Hamamat it is evident that the scale
varies between 50 and 100 m for each 1 cm on the map.
The map of interest " the gold mine "
sections A to d cover about 75 x 45 cm
About 7500 x 4500 meters max , perhaps half that
The Turin Papyrus is reported to be a 2 meters long mining map
I claim the left hand section , is different and unrelated to the
rest , it even looks different , I only hold interest in section
marked A , but B , C and D are probable from the same map often
refered to as ' The Gold mine " from the written messages it
contains , the rest are of no interest to me as they refer to mining
stone
the original fragments identified , only the first 4 interest me
Loading Image...
There is writing on the reverse that maybe totally unrelated
recycling of the old maps , of no interest to me ?
Loading Image...
I claim I know a site that fits the map on the left , in every
detail, and the buildings , roads ,river , hills and valleys and the
features near the center , as marked , are identifiable still ,The
Turin Papyrus looks as if It was an artists reconstruction drawn
very recently
it is NOT in Egypt
It is in South Australia
Yes I know you have heard this sort of claim before
but if you keep an open mind and examine the FACTS , they claim
there is a site in Egypt , I claim the site is in South Australia
One of us is wrong , the sites can be examined , If it fits like a
glove on this end , in minute detail and there is no site in Egypt
that even closely fits its worth digging around a bit to ask WHY
Once both sites are EXAMINED , then laugh at why nobody noticed
before , the far left map is different to the rest , why assume the
section at the start / left / fragments A, B, C and D are the same
area as the other sections , they have nothing in common but mining ,
and i dont recognize them
Turin papyrus in color with description
http://www.eeescience.utoledo.edu/Faculty/Harrell/Egypt/Turin%20Papyrus/Harrell_Papyrus_Map_text.htm
Turin papyrus computer image
Loading Image...
The Egyptian Topographic map of the site
Loading Image...
.
the Egyptian site with scripts numbered and laid out on the
topographic map
http://www.eeescience.utoledo.edu/Faculty/Harrell/Egypt/Turin%20Papyrus/Harrell_Papyrus_Map_fig-9.jpg
.
Table 1: Translations of the hieratic texts on the map side of the
Turin papyrus (adapted from Harrell and Brown 1992: Table 1)
http://www.eeescience.utoledo.edu/Faculty/Harrell/Egypt/Turin%20Papyrus/Harrell_Papyrus_Map_table-1.htm
______________________________________________________________
Text
Number1 Translation
1 the road that leads to the sea
2 another road that leads to the sea
3 the road of Tent-p-mer [the translation of the last word
is uncertain –
it may be the name of an unknown locality or it may mean ‘treasurer’
or ‘harbor’]
4 mountains of gold
5 mountains of gold
6 the houses of the gold-working settlement
7 cistern [or ‘water reservoir’; the text is written
on top of the water sign]
8 stela of Menma’atre, life, health and prosperity! [king
Sety I, 1290-1279 BC,
of the New Kingdom’s 19th Dynasty]2
9 the road of Ta-menti [the last word is apparently the
name of an unknown locality]
10 the shrine of Amun of the pure mountain
11 the mountains in which gold is worked, they are
colored pink
12 mountains of gold and silver [or perhaps ‘mountains of
electrum’, where electrum is a natural mixture of gold and silver]=
green gold
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gold#Color_of_gold
13 …the hill of Amun
14 the hill where Amun rests
15 [not translatable; appears to be part of a name for
some locality]
16 [too fragmentary to translate, but it appears to be
comments on travel from one unnamed locality to another; a travel
time of ‘one day’ and ‘gold’ are mentioned]
16’ mountains of gold [appears to be a continuation of 16 but
is a separate text]
17 distance from the gold-working settlement to the mountain
of bekheny,…khet
[this text is repeated three times, apparently for emphasis; the
distance in units of khet is missing]3,4
Besides being a topographic map of surprisingly modern aspect, the
Turin papyrus is also a geologic map because it accurately shows the
geographic distribution of different rock types (the black hills with
Hammamat siliciclastics, and the pink hills with Dokhan volcanics,
Atalla serpentinite and Fawakhir granite) and the lithologically
diverse wadi gravel (the brown, green and white dots within the main
valley that represent different kinds of rocks), and it also contains
information on quarrying and mining (see Table 2 for a description of
the geologic units).
Additionally notable are the representation of iron-stained, gold-
bearing quartz veins with three radiating bands on the pink hill above
the gold-mining settIement on fragment A (beneath text 5), and text 11
on fragment A, which reads very much like a legend on modern geologic
maps by explaining what the pink coloring represents.
The Turin papyrus is the oldest known geologic map in the world and
it is all the more remarkable considering that it would be another
2900 years before the next geologic map was made and this was in
France during the mid-1700’s.
There is no reason to think, however, that the ancient author
intentionally set out to make a geologic map. From the colors used for
the hills and wadi gravel, it is evident that he merely drew what he
literally saw in the desert – the real hills and surface gravels have
the same general colors as those on the map (Table 2).
THE MAP’S AUTHOR AND PURPOSE
The map was made about 1150 BC by the well-known ‘Scribe of the Tomb‘
Amennakhte, son of Ipuy (Figure 11).
Although Amennakhte did not sign his name to the map, it is clear
that he is its author. There are two pieces of evidence that support
this identification.
First, the text on the map side is in Amennakhte’s distinctive
handwriting, which is well known to Egyptologists who have studied his
many other writings. And second, the first and earliest text on the
backside of the papyrus (the first one listed in Table 3) was written
and signed by Amennakhte. It is not at all surprising that Amennakhte
would have made the map
and have spent many decades examining the very unusual features at
this site ,every year growing more and more convinced it is indeed a
VERY large , VERY old mine site , predating European settlement by a
VERY long time
I just stumbled , on this old Egyptian map and my jaw dropped
I thought it was a joke
I could have drawn it YESTERDAY
Do you know anybody who has examined the mine in Egypt ???
Its a mirror image of the site in South Australia , hard to imagineI thought it was a joke
I could have drawn it YESTERDAY
Do you know anybody who has examined the mine in Egypt ???
such identical natural and man made features being so similar ,
considering its nature who makes the site
There can be no doubt at all on my end , this IS a map of a mine site
in South Australia
This map called the Turin Papyrus the far left panel , is indeed in
South Australia
Do laugh too loud , Im 100% sure , but I know you need more
evidence , that WILL take a while but ,
WATCH THIS SPACE
kanga
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