Discussion:
Mayan are from both west from China and east from Egyptian African.
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Elijahovah
2008-12-24 21:45:14 UTC
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http://www.beforebc.de/all_america/900_centralamerica/02-16-900-20-SE...
Who or what is African? Geographically, those who live in Africa whose
ancestry there dates back millions of years. Physically, Africans are
those (one can argue – exceptions abound) who have some combination of
full facial features and/or wooly / wiry hair. This question is of
significance as those who are physically African were your earliest
known peoples of the world’s earliest societies and also the first
historical monarchs of North America predating the Mayflower in cases
by over 1500 years. They might even be called the first Afro-
Americans.
This post is part of a series identifying by name these Mayan monarchs
of African phenotype. Further, analogies between ancient Mayan and
African societies exist which would seem to indicate that Mayan roots
are found in Africa. In Mexico, these monarchs are from Bonampak,
Pelenque, Yaxchilan; in Guatemala from Quirigua and Machaquila; in the
Honduras, from Copan.
In this series, 17 named, known, historical monarchs will be presented
a new one every few days over the period of perhaps three weeks. The
one who is the subject of any given post will have his or her name
capitalized in the King’s list below starting with monarch of Bonampak
known as King Fish Fin who reigned near 521 AD. Theirs were the first
civilizations with great art, agriculture, religion, social
complexity, longevity.
Those whose browsers allow will see the imbedded picture below the
text. Otherwise, following the link will reveal the picture.
SOUTHEAST MEXICO, CHIAPAS, BONAMPAK
[1] KING FISH FIN, c. 521 AD
[2] Likely King Chaan Muan-I c. 603 AD
SOUTHEAST MEXICO, CHIAPAS, PELENQUE
[3] King B’utz’aj Sak Chiik, 487-501 AD
[4] King K'inich Janaab' Pakal-I, 615-683 AD
[5] King Upakal K'inich 721 736 AD
[6] King K'inich Janaab' Pakal-II, 742-746 AD
SOUTHEAST MEXICO, CHIAPAS, YAXCHILAN
[7] King Itzamnaaj B’alam-II, 681-742 AD
[8] Queen, K’abal Xook, 681-742 AD
[9] Queen Evening Star c. 700-750 AD
[10] King YaxuunBalam-IV, 752-768 AD
[11] King YaxuunBalam-IV, 752-768 AD
[12] Mut Balam Servant Of Queen K’abal Xook, 681-710
GUATEMALA, IZABAL, QUIRIGUA
[13] King Tutuum Yohl K’inich, c. 455.AD
[14] King K’ak’ Tiliw Chan Yoaat, c. 724-785 AD
GUATAMALA, PETEN, MACHAQUILA
[15] King Siyaj K’in Chaak, c. 820 AD
HONDURAS, COPAN
[16] King Waxaklajuun Ub’aah K’awiil, c. 695-738 AD
[17] King Yax Pasaj Chan, 763-810 AD
Identical features of African-Mayan Civilization
1. Divine kingship
2. Sun gods
3. God of writing
4. masonry block for monumental buildings
5. pyramids
6. transformation at death to divine being
7. Sun god combating its enemy, the serpent
8. the becoming of an ancestor after death
9. Patron gods
10. Gods carried in effigy
11. Use of dynastic names (e.g. Balam-1, Balam-II … Balam V)
12. Enthronement ceremony
13. Court lords
14. Iconography of trampling the enemy underfoot (seen in Egypt)
15. Incense burners
16. Head elongation
17. Use of shields in warfare
18. Identical loop-earing ornamentation
19. Three pairs of male/female creation gods under one supreme god
20. Twin brothers in the Cain-Able mode
21. King as central axis of universe
22. A heaven of four quadrants
23. A tripartite creation: underworld, earth, heavens
24. An Osiris-like corn god called the Maize god
25. Perhaps same type of dug-out canoes
(The above 25 are half of the analogies equating ancient African and
Mayan
societies and peoples – not all)
Marc Washington
I am willing to believe an African heritage because the Mayan
heritage
is Egyptian
of Africa, and even heading west out of Egypt they must travel thru
many
African tribes joining them to cross the Atlantic.
Egypt was founded by Hamitic blacks iin 2170 BC which is 200 years
after the Flood. The Shemites arrived in 2030 BC as Hyksos upon
the death of Unas Sakkara of the 5th dynasty.
Let me clarify the connection. On a biblical Genesis level according
to
Moses of 1513 BC (as year 857 after Flood; sothic tun 137 +sothic
haab
720;
mind you 720 haab is 730 tun continuing the sothic nature of the 137
Julian
which are exactly 139 tun)
rather than Egyptian Septuagint Genesis (280 BC) which takes its
Genesis
from the Ramses Papyrus (1290 BC; as year 1800 after Flood using
Venus
as 600 + 1200; the true 600 being Hamurabi's 1770 BC.)

The Maya acknowledge the record of 1554-1553 BC,
by Moses this is his year 40 of age and is year 475 since the
division
of the world caused by Peleg Mesanipada's death (and Unas Sakkara),
causing the city Ur's mass suicide and flight there from which had
already
begun upon word that Peleg was dying and this suicide by Nahor
Alumdug
and Haran Mesalumdug would take place.
Thus year 817 from the Flood but Adams 2472- 2473, used at Stonehenge
for an original 56-year countdown to year 6000 as Armageddon before
world confusion of 1513 BC altered all the original countdowns by the
moon and four planets. In Maya, that year is 1560 after the Flood
being
5x 312 years since 3114 BC (Adams 2256 AM) as Adams 3816 AM.


Their foundation of Copan in 1313 BC up river from the year after
they
declared Volcan Cosguina as the mountain (Ararat; ziggurat) of the
Sothic flame or fire in 1314 BC, acknowledges the 41 year staionary
orbiting comet encounter of 1514 BC which sunk Thera Atlantis 900
years
before Salone of 614 BC. The route of the original Maya is correctly
oriental having Chinese words in its word graphics. Heiroglyphics are
an evolved belief that each picture or symbol should be a word not
a sound and spreds from Egypt (to China to Japan and to Maya) east
to the sunris. But as others have uncovered and discovered these
traces carry Chinese and African. What is Egyptian becomes buried
but not totally lost in its trek across Asia to Copan, but Egyptian
heiroglyohics
arrive as immigrants into Mayan lands from Egypt and Africa headed
west
to the sunset where it creates the dispute of which day / date it
is;
(no international dateline existing telling Chinese to subtract a
day).


From Babylon's last year 1595 BC and
its fall in 300 years upon the birth of Moses in 1594 BC,
the 365-day haab (Egyptian/Mayan) having a 25 year lunar
calendar of 309m which were analyzed by Abram at age 75
(3x 25y) falls in contrast to 76 year lunar (4x 19y)
which having 19 leap days creates a 19-year Sothic moon
of 235m.
Cycling twice, where 150 years are 1854m for 150 haab (365-day),
then contrasts to twice 76 sothic years having 38 leap days as
1880m (a difference of 26 moons instead of 24). There is never
two years of consecutive 13 lunar months. And so the 76 year
sothic moon must be seasonal not the 75 year calendar moon.
So continues the 365 day calendar (still never adding leap days)
and still regarding the leap as the stars forward in date,
but now the whole world finally admits and recognizes that the
seasonal sun also leaps with those stars too. Thus the years
1443-1442 BC from Babylon's fall.
The Jews go 19-year lunar in Joshua's last year 1443 BC, and
Babylon goes 19-year lunar at his death in 1442 BC. China goes
19-year lunar in 1437 BC because it is 76 years after 1513 BC.
Which they see as Sothic, the 720 years from Ur 2233 BC,
but insist the Flood was yet another 720 before that in 2953 BC.
In Greek Septuagint (280 BC) having a 2958 BC Flood they
conclude that Marduk's year 950 is not 2009 BC but 2007 BC
(as 2956-2007 BC) and regard the proof as seeing the lunar
19 year calendar as created in 1473 BC. In doing so they
perceived it as 19 years from 1492 BC and 1511 BC. This is
why they move the Exodus two years to 1511 BC; and why James
Ussher beleives it is evidence for it being 1492 BC. The year
1473 BC comes from Rome knowing Jews conquered Canaan in
1473 BC after 40 years in Sinai. Both Rome and Babylon
expect to be God's new city to replace UR (the city) of Chaldea.
This competes with Jewish claim where Moses took Egypt
(conquered it only in the sense that he predicted the plagues
and used it to take away all of Egypt, out of Egypt
(from people to property, anyone with everything who wanted
to be the New Israel including the Hyksos
who had found Memphis at Peleg's death 518 years earlier).
Thus with Moses headed to create the New City by taking Canaan
in natural ways as Egypt had been taken away by God, now both
Rome in 753 BC and Babylon in 747 BC wanted to take Canaan
to prove they are the New City of God's rule and then go after
Egypt as that proof where we see even Daniel says the king
will continually go to Egypt to discover its original treasures or
truths to our origins. Rome chooses 753 BC because it is
a sothic 720 from Israel taking Canaan in 1473 BC, and
Babylon chooses 747 BC because as a Sothic 1460 from
king Reu Aanipada (2207 BC) of 177 year Ur, it is thus also
a sothic 720 from when Israel claimed its Canaan borders in 1467 BC.
It is important for Rome and Babylon to conquer Canaan (as Jews did)
and thus conquer Israel in the claims of being the Greater New City
of
God.
This has been true to this day with Catholics who took it, and with
Iraq trying. Remember that Ishmael begot his 12 sons before his
brother
Isaac did (in fact grandson Jacob succeeded in having the 12); and
so Moslems too say Israel has been replaced; they are the new house
of
God.
And so they too want Canaan if means conquering Israel.
The Maya are not in this war because they left, as Japan, as China,
as India; it is not their concern because they see the New City
as the new place they find. But corruption is inherited by the
twisting
of words in written record; metaphoric words like sacrifice of heart
which
can be ultimate spirit of God, or repulsive stupidity in altar
sacrifice of humans.


So in view of all this we are one big family, and the issue of who is
Chinese
or who is black or who is the New City or God is irrelevent that we
truly have
connections to all cultures descending from Noah, not just since
Babel
(2240 BC) or Ur's fall 2030 BC, or its 2nd fall 1900 BC, or
Amizaduga's
death (1625 BC), or Babylon's fall (1594 BC) or global disaster from
a
1514 BC comet.... all these cultures connected with teh same ideas
argued on all the ideas they disagreed on and divided about. And from
1513 BC onward the identites they had already formed, they now
segregated pemrmanently enough to begin to form their own DISTINCT
identities stressing unlike the rest of the world.... until the world
grows
so big they are forced to meet at the borders of today.
Gather together claiming you want peace and will have peace, but it
is world war 3 you make this year, and the peace you claim you have
when united immediately after ward will do nothing for surviving the
asteroid impact we are having on Good Friday. The Christ is the true
leader like Moses who gets those people out during the global
disaster.
But you people will kill that one, and so she (with her husband he)
will have to take tgat kead by spirit because you will not have
killed
them
at all; but rather like Jesus they will be the only humans who have
ever actually gone to heaven to save flesh on Earth.
Unless that flesh is saved, a great unnumbered crowd,
the newly wed couple will have no children because it requires the
literal
human voices of the bride's church on earth to raise all the dead one
by one
until all have returned back to life.
Do know this that you are incompetent, negligent, even vindictive in
the fact that all chronologies of all nations is there and you want
the
lie that claims it's all a mixed up soup that no one can claim is
totally
complete and disproves evolution of Adam. Your hour is here because
you do not see that human rulership by father began 6000 calendar
years (6000 tun) before 1914 AD, and that is 6000 years (orbits)
before
1975 AD, because we are now in year 6033. The kingdom of God has
been here on Earth for 104 years so discreet it didn't even know it
was the kingdom of God. They have never declared their kingship,
and when they do you will kill them because their British license
of June 1 in 1914 AD is no longer protected againt USA and UN
attack.
Seriously,
ELIJAH (in this year 32 of Artaxerxes who is also Jesus)
As for Malachi, he is a man in Fort Lauderdale Florida who on
Passover
2007
handed me a Bible to show me year 32 had arrived, and Elijah must now
speak.
Tom McDonald
2008-12-25 00:29:07 UTC
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Elijahovah wrote:

Oh, for fuck's sake. If you and your butt-buddy Marc want to make
up stories about shapes you see in clouds, perhaps you could at
least get one thing right:

When you speak of the Maya people and their stuff, the word to
use is "Maya", not "Mayan". Maya pyramids; Maya mythology; Maya
ball courts; Maya mathematics; Maya calendrics.

Mayan refers to the language, not the people. It is not an
adjective except when discussing the language. Mayan glyphs;
Mayan for _____, Mayan dialects.

Now go play mud pies, like good little nutcases.

Thank you for your attention.

<snip>
--
Tom "Go Pack" McDonald
Elijahovah
2008-12-27 09:24:50 UTC
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you make issues like those who killed Jesus.
The judge decides whether the man did kill someone
or not but all you see is whether he is wearing a tie in court.
ELIJAH

The fools are easy to see; sad that people follow them.
Tom McDonald
2008-12-27 19:13:52 UTC
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Post by Elijahovah
you make issues like those who killed Jesus.
The judge decides whether the man did kill someone
or not but all you see is whether he is wearing a tie in court.
Yet you aren't familiar with the relevant archaeology or history;
and batter, snip and stretch the little bit you think you know
into the Procrustean bed of whatever you have left of your
Jehovah's Witness-ness.

That may fly in the JW groups, and for those who are wowed by
long, rambling posts with lots of numbers and exotic names.

But don't expect to impress anyone who has actually studied Maya
history and archaeology.
Post by Elijahovah
The fools are easy to see; sad that people follow them.
Anyone who tries to follow you and expects to learn anything
useful about Maya or Mayan is truly following a fool.

But hell, I was probably destroyed in one of the earlier
cataclysms you promised would well and truly fuck up the
unrighteous.
--
Tom "Go Pack" McDonald
Elijahovah
2008-12-28 16:40:45 UTC
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You act not against me. You act against Jehovah.
But even then you just flare up even greater and act further against
him being too stupid to know who and what he is.
What ever proves true is Jehovah. We who truly are of
Jehovah never lose when we recognize not the things
we claim as Jehovah, but rather recognize Jehovah for the
truth he is. Any truth that surfaces is him. And the truth
regarding the Mayan descent from Noah is of course from
Jehovah because Moses is from Jehovah and he descended
from Noah of Jehovah and Shem of Jehovah and Abram of Jehovah.
The largest portion of any family, any where, every where,
is not of Jehovah because it is the lie they become impressed by.
Families are liars who all claim the good of dad and the bad of dad
totally different than the wise little guy really truly knows of dad.
Take Noah for example and how the Hindu regard him.
Evangelists may be impressed that Noah is mentioned in all
cultures or that the Flood is also. But the true lover of Jehovah
sees not just the survival of the story fact in those cultures
but rather also the evil they dared to alter the true story.
Yes all evil has a motive, and the motive is there unveiled.
Take MaNu for example where upon the Hindu did not want
Narmer (later called Nimrod) to be there Mena (Menes or Man-Nu).
The fact that the correlation is there from the dates
2021 BC Dec 24 and 2020 BC Feb 2 and Aug 25 Ptah and
Sep 4 new year of year 955 is indeed inspired from realizing that
Manu and Mena are the same event for the same person but
debated whether it should honor Noah's death at 950 or honor
Narmer reborn as Mena for unification of Egypt. But what good
does it do to reject Nimrod, and accept Noah though dead so
therefor ein what way do they really acceot him, and yet they
twist and distort everything Noah said so as to believe he ascended
to heaven (as VishNu), and then claim the 40-day seance ending
in 2020 BC was actually his ascent back to heaven ending the
40-day Flood in 2369 BC. Simply put Moses was well in deliberately
saying okay men you think you know Jehovah and so knowing
Jehovah very well he gathered as many men who wanted to oppose
upon ground about to cave in, and when it didnt cave in he said oh
come on surely there are more of you who feel i dont know Jehovah,
until finally they all proved he knew Jehovah, the ground caved in.
So please do come forth with your wicked heart because I am setting
you on ground that you feel is too soft to be the real Jehovah.
Come forth because you men will get buried not just in words
of truth but your lives are about to end this year.
Come forth because you see Jehovah as a blood thirsty God and
he will therefore show you that he is willing to comply upon YOU
what you think of him.

ELIJAH
death to the wicked
they're own hearts will return to them what they
try to do do those of jehovah.
You placed a man on the seat of the world, his name Obama,
knowing people are disputing whether he is Christian by life
or Moslem by birth, so now watch your world corner him and
to decide who should die, christians or moslems, and what you will
have is world war 3 because he will not take that from either side.
Jehovah has spoken.
Tom McDonald
2008-12-28 20:06:21 UTC
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Post by Elijahovah
You act not against me. You act against Jehovah.
But even then you just flare up even greater and act further against
him being too stupid to know who and what he is.
What ever proves true is Jehovah. We who truly are of
Jehovah never lose when we recognize not the things
we claim as Jehovah, but rather recognize Jehovah for the
truth he is. Any truth that surfaces is him. And the truth
regarding the Mayan descent from Noah is of course from
Jehovah because Moses is from Jehovah and he descended
from Noah of Jehovah and Shem of Jehovah and Abram of Jehovah.
The largest portion of any family, any where, every where,
is not of Jehovah because it is the lie they become impressed by.
Families are liars who all claim the good of dad and the bad of dad
totally different than the wise little guy really truly knows of dad.
Take Noah for example and how the Hindu regard him.
Evangelists may be impressed that Noah is mentioned in all
cultures or that the Flood is also. But the true lover of Jehovah
sees not just the survival of the story fact in those cultures
but rather also the evil they dared to alter the true story.
Yes all evil has a motive, and the motive is there unveiled.
Take MaNu for example where upon the Hindu did not want
Narmer (later called Nimrod) to be there Mena (Menes or Man-Nu).
The fact that the correlation is there from the dates
2021 BC Dec 24 and 2020 BC Feb 2 and Aug 25 Ptah and
Sep 4 new year of year 955 is indeed inspired from realizing that
Manu and Mena are the same event for the same person but
debated whether it should honor Noah's death at 950 or honor
Narmer reborn as Mena for unification of Egypt. But what good
does it do to reject Nimrod, and accept Noah though dead so
therefor ein what way do they really acceot him, and yet they
twist and distort everything Noah said so as to believe he ascended
to heaven (as VishNu), and then claim the 40-day seance ending
in 2020 BC was actually his ascent back to heaven ending the
40-day Flood in 2369 BC. Simply put Moses was well in deliberately
saying okay men you think you know Jehovah and so knowing
Jehovah very well he gathered as many men who wanted to oppose
upon ground about to cave in, and when it didnt cave in he said oh
come on surely there are more of you who feel i dont know Jehovah,
until finally they all proved he knew Jehovah, the ground caved in.
So please do come forth with your wicked heart because I am setting
you on ground that you feel is too soft to be the real Jehovah.
Come forth because you men will get buried not just in words
of truth but your lives are about to end this year.
Come forth because you see Jehovah as a blood thirsty God and
he will therefore show you that he is willing to comply upon YOU
what you think of him.
ELIJAH
death to the wicked
they're own hearts will return to them what they
try to do do those of jehovah.
You placed a man on the seat of the world, his name Obama,
knowing people are disputing whether he is Christian by life
or Moslem by birth, so now watch your world corner him and
to decide who should die, christians or moslems, and what you will
have is world war 3 because he will not take that from either side.
Jehovah has spoken.
See? Was that so hard?

You have provided excellent archaeological evidence, along with
plenty of citations to the relevant, current academic
archaeological literature. I am fully seized of your idea, and
will defend your scholarship to anyone.

And people say you are nuts!
--
Tom "Go Pack" McDonald
Noir
2009-02-17 04:56:46 UTC
Permalink
Post by Elijahovah
http://www.beforebc.de/all_america/900_centralamerica/02-16-900-20-SE...
Who or what is African? Geographically, those who live in Africa whose
ancestry there dates back millions of years. Physically, Africans are
those (one can argue – exceptions abound) who have some combination of
full facial features and/or wooly / wiry hair. This question is of
significance as those who are physically African were your earliest
known peoples of the world’s earliest societies and also the first
historical monarchs of North America predating the Mayflower in cases
by over 1500 years. They might even be called the first Afro-
Americans.
This post is part of a series identifying by name these Mayan monarchs
of African phenotype. Further, analogies between ancient Mayan and
African societies exist which would seem to indicate that Mayan roots
are found in Africa. In Mexico, these monarchs are from Bonampak,
Pelenque, Yaxchilan; in Guatemala from Quirigua and Machaquila; in the
Honduras, from Copan.
In this series, 17 named, known, historical monarchs will be presented
a new one every few days over the period of perhaps three weeks. The
one who is the subject of any given post will have his or her name
capitalized in the King’s list below starting with monarch of Bonampak
known as King Fish Fin who reigned near 521 AD. Theirs were the first
civilizations with great art, agriculture, religion, social
complexity, longevity.
Those whose browsers allow will see the imbedded picture below the
text. Otherwise, following the link will reveal the picture.
SOUTHEAST MEXICO, CHIAPAS, BONAMPAK
[1]     KING FISH FIN, c. 521 AD
[2]     Likely King Chaan Muan-I  c. 603 AD
SOUTHEAST MEXICO, CHIAPAS, PELENQUE
[3]     King B’utz’aj Sak Chiik, 487-501 AD
[4]     King K'inich Janaab' Pakal-I, 615-683 AD
[5]     King Upakal K'inich  721 736 AD
[6]     King K'inich Janaab' Pakal-II, 742-746 AD
SOUTHEAST MEXICO, CHIAPAS, YAXCHILAN
[7]     King Itzamnaaj B’alam-II, 681-742 AD
[8]     Queen, K’abal Xook, 681-742 AD
[9]     Queen Evening Star c. 700-750 AD
[10]    King YaxuunBalam-IV, 752-768 AD
[11]    King YaxuunBalam-IV, 752-768 AD
[12]    Mut Balam Servant Of Queen K’abal Xook, 681-710
GUATEMALA, IZABAL, QUIRIGUA
[13]    King Tutuum Yohl K’inich, c. 455.AD
[14]    King K’ak’ Tiliw Chan Yoaat, c. 724-785 AD
GUATAMALA, PETEN, MACHAQUILA
[15]    King Siyaj K’in Chaak, c. 820 AD
HONDURAS, COPAN
[16]    King Waxaklajuun  Ub’aah K’awiil, c. 695-738 AD
[17]    King Yax Pasaj Chan, 763-810 AD
Identical features of African-Mayan Civilization
1. Divine kingship
2. Sun gods
3. God of writing
4. masonry block for monumental buildings
5. pyramids
6. transformation at death to divine being
7. Sun god combating its enemy, the serpent
8. the becoming of an ancestor after death
9. Patron gods
10. Gods carried in effigy
11. Use of dynastic names (e.g. Balam-1, Balam-II … Balam V)
12. Enthronement ceremony
13. Court lords
14. Iconography of trampling the enemy underfoot (seen in Egypt)
15. Incense burners
16. Head elongation
17. Use of shields in warfare
18. Identical loop-earing ornamentation
19. Three pairs of male/female creation gods under one supreme god
20. Twin brothers in the Cain-Able mode
21. King as central axis of universe
22. A heaven of four quadrants
23. A tripartite creation: underworld, earth, heavens
24. An Osiris-like corn god called the Maize god
25. Perhaps same type of dug-out canoes
(The above 25 are half of the analogies equating ancient African and
Mayan
societies and peoples – not all)
Marc Washington
I am willing to believe an African heritage because the Mayan
heritage
is Egyptian
of Africa, and even heading west out of Egypt they must travel thru
many
African tribes joining them to cross the Atlantic.
Egypt was founded by Hamitic blacks iin 2170 BC which is 200 years
after the Flood. The Shemites arrived in 2030 BC as Hyksos upon
the death of Unas Sakkara of the 5th dynasty.
Let me clarify the connection. On a biblical Genesis level according
to
Moses of 1513 BC (as year 857 after Flood; sothic tun 137 +sothic
haab
720;
mind you 720 haab is 730 tun continuing the sothic nature of the 137
Julian
which are exactly 139 tun)
rather than Egyptian Septuagint Genesis (280 BC) which takes its
Genesis
from the Ramses Papyrus (1290 BC; as year 1800 after Flood using
Venus
as 600 + 1200; the true 600 being Hamurabi's 1770 BC.)
The Maya acknowledge the record of 1554-1553 BC,
by Moses this is his year 40 of age and is year 475 since the
division
of the world caused by Peleg Mesanipada's death (and Unas Sakkara),
causing the city Ur's mass suicide and flight there from which had
already
begun upon word that Peleg was dying and this suicide by Nahor
Alumdug
and Haran Mesalumdug would take place.
Thus year 817 from the Flood but Adams 2472- 2473, used at Stonehenge
for an original 56-year countdown to year 6000 as Armageddon before
world confusion of 1513 BC altered all the original countdowns by the
moon and four planets. In Maya, that year is 1560 after the Flood
being
5x 312 years since 3114 BC (Adams 2256 AM) as Adams 3816 AM.
Their foundation of Copan in 1313 BC up river from the year after
they
declared Volcan Cosguina as the mountain (Ararat; ziggurat) of the
Sothic flame or fire in 1314 BC, acknowledges the 41 year staionary
orbiting comet encounter of 1514 BC which sunk Thera Atlantis 900
years
before Salone of 614 BC. The route of the original Maya is correctly
oriental having Chinese words in its word graphics. Heiroglyphics are
an evolved belief that each picture or symbol should be a word not
a sound and spreds from Egypt (to China to Japan and to Maya) east
to the sunris. But as others have uncovered and discovered these
traces carry Chinese and African. What is Egyptian becomes buried
but not totally lost in its trek across Asia to Copan, but Egyptian
heiroglyohics
arrive as immigrants into Mayan lands from Egypt and Africa headed
west
to the sunset where it creates the dispute of which day / date  it
is;
(no international dateline existing telling Chinese to subtract a
day).
From Babylon's last year 1595 BC and
its fall in 300 years upon the birth of Moses in 1594 BC,
the 365-day haab (Egyptian/Mayan) having a 25 year lunar
calendar of 309m which were analyzed by Abram at age 75
(3x 25y) falls in contrast to 76 year lunar (4x 19y)
which having 19 leap days creates a 19-year Sothic moon
of 235m.
Cycling twice, where 150 years are 1854m for 150 haab (365-day),
then contrasts to twice 76 sothic years having 38 leap days as
1880m (a difference of 26 moons instead of 24). There is never
two years of consecutive 13 lunar months. And so the 76 year
sothic moon must be seasonal not the 75 year calendar moon.
So continues the 365 day calendar (still never adding leap days)
and still regarding the leap as the stars forward in date,
but now the whole world finally admits and recognizes that the
seasonal sun also leaps with those stars too. Thus the years
1443-1442 BC from Babylon's fall.
The Jews go 19-year lunar in Joshua's last year 1443 BC, and
Babylon goes 19-year lunar at his death in 1442 BC. China goes
19-year lunar in 1437 BC because it is 76 years after 1513 BC.
Which they see as Sothic, the 720 years from Ur 2233 BC,
but insist the Flood was yet another 720 before that in 2953 BC.
In Greek Septuagint (280 BC) having a 2958 BC Flood they
conclude that Marduk's year 950 is not 2009 BC but 2007 BC
(as 2956-2007 BC) and regard the proof as seeing the lunar
19 year calendar as created in 1473 BC. In doing so they
perceived it as 19 years from 1492 BC and 1511 BC. This is
why they move the Exodus two years to 1511 BC; and why James
Ussher beleives it is evidence for it being 1492 BC. The year
1473 BC comes from Rome knowing Jews conquered Canaan in
1473 BC after 40 years in Sinai. Both Rome and Babylon
expect to be God's new city to replace UR (the city) of Chaldea.
This competes with Jewish claim where Moses took Egypt
(conquered it only in the sense that he predicted the plagues
and used it to take away all of Egypt, out of Egypt
(from people to property, anyone with everything who wanted
to be the New Israel including the Hyksos
who had found Memphis at Peleg's death 518 years earlier).
Thus with Moses headed to create the New City by taking Canaan
in natural ways as Egypt had been taken away by God, now both
Rome in 753 BC and Babylon in 747 BC wanted to take Canaan
to prove they are the New City of God's rule and then go after
Egypt as that proof where we see even Daniel says the king
will continually go to Egypt to discover its original treasures or
truths to our origins. Rome chooses 753 BC because it is
a sothic 720 from Israel taking Canaan in 1473 BC, and
Babylon chooses 747 BC because as a Sothic 1460 from
king Reu Aanipada (2207 BC) of 177 year Ur, it is thus also
a sothic 720 from when Israel claimed its Canaan borders in 1467 BC.
It is important for Rome and Babylon to conquer Canaan (as Jews did)
and thus conquer Israel in the claims of being the Greater New City
of
God.
This has been true to this day with Catholics who took it, and with
Iraq trying. Remember that Ishmael begot his 12 sons before his
brother
Isaac did (in fact grandson Jacob succeeded in having the 12); and
so Moslems too say Israel has been replaced; they are the new house
of
God.
And so they too want Canaan if means conquering Israel.
The Maya are not in this war because they left, as Japan, as China,
as India; it is not their concern because they see the New City
as the new place they find. But corruption is inherited by the
twisting
of words in written record; metaphoric words like sacrifice of heart
which
can be ultimate spirit of God, or repulsive stupidity in altar
sacrifice of humans.
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Glad you mentioned that Egypt was founded by Hamitic Blacks. Of
course, back in the day, Egypt was called "Kemet". It was written as
"KMT" back then and that didn't just mean the dark soil of the land.
"KMT" also referred to the dark features and skin of the people that
founded Kemet.
Elijahovah
2009-02-18 00:46:41 UTC
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This is a new brain storm session I am having at this moment and I am
typing it out while I think it thru. Yes okay I agree not much of a
brainstorm without others beside me. But that is not because I am God,
or think I am God, or wish I was God. Nor does it mean that I am God
in my own mind while I wish you knew God like I do. When Moses said he
wish you could see God like he does, he really means it is lonely
being at the top of understanding something he whish you would see or
understand too. Being up there, is indeed horrid whether you have
actual truth or some dillusional bullshit of truth. It is not fair for
real intelligence to suffer like this beside real ignoramouses and be
judge as one of the nut cases. Hey Einstein gets alot of digs in the
world of opinions. My own mother claims him stupid with money because
his being so smart up there made him so stupid down in the normal
range. Is that true of people? And is this not a rude torture by
smaller brains who dare to shred the higher intelligence in existence
(even God himself) because these people have too much arrogant pride
to have feelings of appearing stupid. Yes like Abram while I dwelt
passing time with my own nephews or siblings children babysitting I
now prefer I have had my own children, boys who becmoe men I could
teach, if not for trash women who are their mother. I resent having no
children, and I resent the women in my life who would have been mother
to them if not so busy stopping up the pregnancy process. I find the
world evil in the hearts or men and women.

Now for the brainstorm I have to have all by myself between me and God
(set aside my bitterness.)
Brief you in first, here goes. Egyptian calendar created in Memphis
not in 2770 BC on the date Toth 1 (Julian July 17) but created
awaiting 70-days of absent Sothis at Memphis watching May 8 until July
17 where upon on the absent new moon of July 12 the first set of five
epagum days are created in 2030 BC and the calendar new year
inaugurated as Pamenot 1 with Koyak suicide in city Ur being the famed
christmas memorial of the 10th month in May 2029 BC.
The 11th dynasty new year of Toth is reference to seasonal winter
solstice in Toth which began in 2000 BC when Jan 6 had completed 4
years of a new year Toth. This is not a calendar new year Toth but
recognition that winter starts in that Toth month. Egyptian Thoth is
Mayan Phoph and it was moved by 16-17 days meaning Phoph 1 occurs 16
days before Thoth 1 and then Phoph 0 was created which makes a 17-day
difference. The 16 days can be leap days of 64 years which is a repeat
of lunar dates for Venus (warning 64 years is not a constant repeating
cycle, even though evidence exists that ancient scholars presumed so).
The Maya are more Chinese from the west than they are Egyptian from
the east. Their Chinese correlation in words is stronger in cultural
similarities. Pictures are like Egyptian heiroglyphs but they retain
the fact that each one is a word not alphabetic letters which is still
a Chinese concept to this day.

The calendar of Egypt as 2030 BC July 17, becomes Chinese on July 16
of 2029 BC in which the 60-day cycle of Noah's date 27th of odd months
is KiahTse (JiaZi). The date 9-27 being the first rise of Venus in a
365-day calendar on July 19 of 2029 BC being 74 days after the silence
of mass suicide the morn of May 6 (Koyak 25 claiming they are the
christ ascending to heaven). It is the Greeks who falsely said that
Koyak 25 was Noah's star in 2958 BC because it equals Dec 25. This
confuses Noah's day 40 (2369 BC Jan 6 on Noah's 3-27-600) with the
suicide of Nahor Alumdug (148) with Haran Meskalumdug (49) completed
the silent morn of Koyak 25 (2029 BC May 6) one year after Peleg
Mesanipada died of natural age (239) and the morn of Noah's death (at
natural age 950) in 2021 BC Dec 25 (Mayan Pop 1). Moment of truth.
Confusion in calendars does include Noah's actual age being 949 not
950, proven by Ptah (Mars) of 2020 BC being confused with 949-year
Mars after the Flood. This is confirmed by Egyptian year 350 for the
Pharaoh being July 14 of 2020 BC. It can't be year 950 unless Egypt is
350, which isnt year 955 in the 360-day calendar until Sep 4. So if he
is 954 and not yet 955 in 360 days, he is also 949 and not yet 950 in
350 years of 365 days. Further, wow the Maya made him 950 by putting
their new year Pop 0 on teh date of his death because original 7th
month Toth is 17 days after Noah died.

Okay the spred of human culture from Ur to India (Indus River) to
China to Copan. India has two dates. It has 1900 BC which it honors as
year 1200 of sothic Venus in 700 BC. Caution here Sothis is 1200
Julian buut 1200 Egyptian years are 1199 Julian. So the Sothic Venus
is one year less than honoring 4-year Sothis. Next they think
Babylon's Venus texts from 1625 BC (Adams year 2400 from 4025 BC) is
1900 BC (Adams year 3600 from 5500 BC). This tells you that Ibbi-Sin
died in 1900 BC having been made an Elder (king) at age 30 in 2029 BC
when Ur I fell, then at 42 making his servant Ishbi-Erra as king of
Isan in 2017 BC, becoming sole king in 1925 BC and dies at Ur's
destruction in 1900 BC where people flee to the Indus River to become
the first Hindu. It also tells you that Amizaduga died in 1625 BC in
Babylon and more relatives fled Babylon because they didnt like the
next and final king of Babylon. And it is these who brought the Venus
dates to India in 1625 BC that are mistaken as 1900 BC. Now please
understand this is just my refresher course while I venture into the
things on the edge of my brain for you (BUT mainly it is all for me,
if I judge you as inappreciative of this brainstorming moment I am
having). You cant begin to appreciate how I see Osama Bin Laden
succeeding in World Trade Internet collapse of the world dollar on
March 10).

Now China begins in 1437 BC. This is indicated by the fact their epoch
of 2637 BC Feb 2 is based on 1200 years before 1437 BC Feb 2 both
being dated as 11-27 in the 360-day calendar. It is 600 years from
2029 BC Sep 17 to 1437 BC Feb 2 on 11-27 because Venus rises in
Aquarius and the 9-27 date of July 19 in 2029 BC must be rejected as
before the rise of Venus on Dec 4 in 1438 BC. The error is due to 600
years as 360 days being used for what is a 592-year Venus with
correctly 8 more years to go to 1429 BC in Egyptian date (Pamenot 4 in
2029 BC staying as Persian Zoroaster Pamenot 4 known as Tir 4, but
after global disaster by stationary orbit comet in 1514 BC the
Egyptian Pamenot 4 becomes Pamenot 9 starting in 1513 BC). No matter,
the date falls as Feb 22 in 1437 BC and Feb 20 in 1429 BC, and a 30-
day correction to Venus position (2 days per 40 years) places the
matching Venus 2029 BC July 19 as 1429 BC Jan 21 as opposite 180 days
in sky and in leap days. (Derived from the span 2369 BC Jan 6 to 1770
BC July 10; where in 2000 BC Jan 6 and July 10 are both solstices and
in 1770 BC this is the Tamuz cross of Mars at Narmer (Nimrod)'s death
at age 500 as last of the human gods of longevity (in Adams year 2256
which numeric year is confused as Flood year 2256) where the firebird
Phoenix of of Leo (Ash) is called the Venus by Romans and as the
Quetzalbird (Quetzalcoatl) by Aztec, and as year 3114 BC Flood by
Mayan to count 3744 years to king of kings Pacal as failed year 6000
in 630 AD. Note 8-year difference from Moslem Flood 3122 BC and
Prophet 622 AD where Mohammed is the claimed rising morningstar
instead of Pacal or Jesus. So with 1437 BC as China, what city yet I
do not know. But since Copan astronomically fits the Sothic July 1
rise between Volcan Cosguina up river north to Copan. It shouldnt be
too hard to head north up the Indus River.

A previous post of mine was commented some where online regarding a
city of China. Hmm I freaked out since I forgot I posted comment. It
was a brainstorm moment like now never having heard of the city
before. (Okay Google as 1370 BC China to find me.) The city is Xia.
Now Google as Xia China location. Answer: Latitude: 31° 1' 60 N,
Longitude: 110° 10' 0 E
There should now be astronomic evidence for the year founded. I have
faith I will find it, or if I die or dont find it, YOU CAN FIND IT
because it just takes faith and belief and you do find truth. I dont
recall how I got 1370 BC, maybe it was a published carbon-14 date
since carbon 14 is correct for dates after 2030 BC (curving up to
20,000 years for 2370 BC). Oh wow, the city Xia is quite a ways from
the Indus River for 67 years time (1437-1370 BC). If carbon 14 of Xia
said 1370 BC then I noted this was 1000 years passing after the Flood
and I am very accute to catching memorial celebrations around the
world matching Bible Genesis. Based on 144 years from 2256-2400 AM as
1770-1626 BC Babylon.....

1 Xiayu Also called Dayu; Family name: Si; Given name: Wenming; The
great-great-grandson of Huangdi. Known for solving the flood problem
for the people. 45y (?1770-1725) [?foundation of Xia]
INTERESTING MENTION OF NOAH'S FLOOD FOR YEAR 1770 BC which is Adams
year 2256
(correctly a calendar of Venus measuring 600 years after the flood as
drifting 180 days from Jan back to July).
2 Qi son of Xiayu; He broke up the Abdication System and set the
Hereditary System. 29y (?1725-1696)
3 Taikang son of Qi 29y (?1696-1667)
4 Zhongkang younger brother of Taikang 13y (?1667-1654)
5 Xiang son of Zhongkang 28y subtotal 144 (?1654-1626)
6 Shaokang posthumous child of Xiang 21y (?1626-1605) [?foundation
of Xia]
7 Zhu son of Shaokang 17y (?1605-1588)
8 Huai son of Zhu 44y (?1588-1544)
9 Mang son of Huai 18y = subtotal 244 (?1544-1526)
10 Xie son of Mang 21y (?1526-1505)
11 Bujiang son of Xie 59y (?1505-1446)
12 Jiong younger brother of Bujiang 21y (?1446-1425) [1437 BC
calendar]
13 Jin son of Jiong 21y (?1425-1404)
14 Kongjia son of Bujiang 31y (?1404-1374)
15 Gao son of Kongjia 11y (?1374-1363) 60 years to Copan 1314 BC
[1370 BC Xia honors 1000
years]
16 Fa son of Gao 11y (?1363-1352)
17 Jie son of Fa; the tyrannical emperor that ended the Xia Dynasty
52y (1352-1300 BC)
= total 470th year

Could this be 470 years of 1770-1300 BC? The subtotal of 144 could be
Amizaduga's death in 1626 BC.
And the year 1300 BC is the 600-year half point between Hindu 1900 BC
of Ur and their 700 BC. The death of the Arpaxad's Chaldean son Shelah
at age 433 occurs in 1900 BC in year 470 after the Flood. Thus with
1770 BC being 130 years after 1900 BC (year 470-year 600), it follows
that 1300 BC is 130 years after 1430 BC. So twice 470 is 2370 BC Flood
to 1900 BC fall of 3rd dynasty Ur (The City), then 470 again to 1430
BC.
But there are those who fled Hamurabi in 1770 BC because he made
himself King of Kings over the world when 500-year old Nimrod with
that title died in Abydos Egypt as Narmer Mena. Thus 470 years from
1770 BC to 1300 BC as fall of The City China Xia in 1300 BC is easily
confused in this way. The 1770 BC as Adams year 2256 is a known
comfusion to all scholars as the Flood (2256 AM), so that the real
year 470 after Flood is fall of Chaldea as Ur in 1900 BC. But count
470 after 1770 BC and you get 1300 BC as the fall of China Xia. This
is logical. Since the Idus River was founded in 1900 BC, was Xia then
founded in 1770 BC or was it founded 400 years later in 1370 BC. The
Maya reached Copan in 1314 BC so is this 56 years to get from Xia to
Copan or is it 456 years to get there? depending whether Xia was
founded in 1770 BC or in 1370 BC. But when was Xia reached by Hindu
spred to China? Was it a stay on the Indu River from 1900-1770 BC (130
years) until arriving in China in 1770 BC as king Xiayu? or was it a
stay on the Indu River from 1900-1625 BC (275 years) while new ones
from Babylon arrived in 1625 BC to join the Indu River for some, but
moving on to China as king Shaokang?
Perhaps as the Indus were two arrivals (1770 and 1625 BC), so was
China the same two years. Or perhaps 1625 BC was their first arrival.
It is not likely a middle of a reign such as 1625-1370 BC staying on
the Indu River (for 255 years) to king Gao taking them to China,
because an elder or king became ruler by taking the lead in a
migration or escape or exodus or pioneering advance? what is clear is
that places were founded where they could set up first an astral means
of checking time and accounting for it, though we look at it as
worship of gods.

Further study could be made on whether this 52 year reign in 1352-1300
BC connects to Mayan expectation of a 52-year king when they founded
Copan in 1314 BC (1314-1262 BC). However, so far the article I am
looking at places this as 21st to 16th (mid 2050-mid 1550 BC). But
time and care and concern and study reveals while critics continue
their corruption of truth in their atitudes... and if the internet has
proven that freedom spreds yeast faster than it spreds love or truth!
But let's hear it for freedom, not in the sence of do what you want
without law, but to be free to find truth.

Time from Xia to Copan is now pondered. king Jie 1352-1314= 38 years,
1370-1314 BC = 56 years this being lunar dates of Venus as are 64
years (caution not a constant recurring cycle). 1370 BC could be the
year Maya left the city Xia because it become Mayan year 1744 from
their Flood 3114 BC. This year would be regarded as year 4000 from
Adam being seen as Babylon's year 3600 as 5370-1770 BC plus 400 years,
thus creating their 2256 years 5370-3114 BC plus 1744. Noah was 600
before Flood, and Babylon was year 1344 of Noah. The real true 600 is
2970-2370 BC; and his year 1344 is correctly 600 before and 744 after,
being 2370-1626 BC. This is misinterpreted as a full 1344 after the
Flood as 3114-1770 BC making the year 1626 BC as twice the 744 years
(3114-2370-1626 BC). Thus the celebration of 1370 BC as 1000 years
from the real true Flood at China Xia seems to be a joyful pioneering
journey to Copan by Mayans. This 56 years 1370-1314 BC is only 14 leap
days and the Maya shift in Thoth 1 to Phoph 1 is 16 days of 64 years.
It is of interest that 15 leap days is a Chinese 60-year cycle from
1374-1314 BC which could mean king Gao was a bad king to escape from
leading to migration that eventually settled Copan.

I wonder the route to get there. Anyone know the best natural route
never traveled before until these people? Okay, My guess, north up the
Indus, over to Kathmandu Nepal, to Bhutan, to the north border valley
of Burma, to - - - I get lost here, how do you travel east across
these north-south ridges. Or do we have a place in Burma older than
Xia China as a point of dwelling before Xia foundation.

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