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Did the ancient Egyptians prefix "the" to the names of their Gods?
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h***@googlemail.com
2007-06-05 15:33:52 UTC
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Hello,

I am trying to check some assertions made by Alvin Boyd Kuhn in his
book "The Lost Light".

Quoting Kuhn (page 12, The Lost Light):

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According to [E. A. Wallis Budge - English Egyptologist] and other
eminent Egyptologists the ancient designation of Osiris was ASAR. But
the Egyptians invariably expressed reverence for deity by prefixing
the definite article "the" to the names of their Gods. Just as
Christians say, or should say, the Christ, they said: the Osiris.
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Is it true that the ancient Egyptians always expressed reverence by
referring to "the Osiris" rather than just "Osiris"?

I understand that Budge has been somewhat discredited and his work is
generally not cited by scholars nowadays.

Also, I understand that the "ancient designation of Osiris" has a
number of variations, including Asar, Aser, Azar, Ausar, Wesir, Ausere
and wsjr (and probably others, too). So is it not rather glib of Kuhn
and/or his sources to simply assert that "the ancient designation of
Osiris was ASAR"?


Regards,

Harold,
England.
Elijahovah
2007-06-06 22:36:37 UTC
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TOPIC: PREFIXES TO GODS
Example: The and also El and Al

When looking at the Sumerian Kinglist have they forgotten
that the names begin with God and Lord. These names begin
with En or with An or with El or with Al. Even with Elohim and Allah
is El and Al just an abbreviation such as Yah and Jah for Yahweh
and for Jehovah. Abreviations or Prefixes ?

Has any one noticed that Astar is two words A-Star.
Wouldn't Asar be two words A-Sar.
We say The, but in Hebrew it is Ha and in Greek it is Ho.
Ha-Sar and Ho-Sar.
I submit the following implication that Osiris is in effect
already have its THE prefix as the word Ho-Siris or
Ho-Sirius or Ho-Saros.
If you analyze the difference between when is the moon
just a new born moon, a Horus, a baby, and when is it
a reborn moon, born again, 3 days to die and be reborn,
a ressurected Osiris you will see that anything can be
reborn and thus an Osiris, an Osiris moon, an Osiris sun,
and Osiris Saturn (Saturnalia), even arguing between
Saturday or Sunday. Ever wonder why chronology could
not make up its mind who was born 292 years after the
Flood, was it Haran or was it Abram. Its because they
couldnt figure out which one was the Born Again one
in belief of a Christ Messiah. It would appear that
Haran committed suicide in Ur to go to heaven in the
known mass suicide Wooley found carbon-14 dated
to 2030 BC. Egyptian dates match Osiris and Saturnalia
to May 6 of 2029 BC which is dated Koyak 25. Proof
that this dat ein 2029 BC is the true origin of christmas,
and suicide of Ur is not just the fact
that Saturn's orbit is reborn by passing Regulus, but the fact
that Greek Flood miscalculated by them as 2958 BC
is when Koyak 25 is given the name December 25.
Point made here, is the reborn concept, Osiris related
to man dying to be reborn. In fact Koyak 25 is in
Egyptian text as one date for reborn Osiris.

But i wish to back up, because Haran's death is not the
only reborn Osiris of Egyptians or Ur committing suicide
to go to heaven. The 292 is an answer because if ordinal
as in 292nd sothic year (291 Julian) we have a span of
3599 lunar months between 3600 new moons.
The 3600 is the same as saying Ho Sar or Ho Saros.

I am tired of cynics and critics, and childish men.
So if you wish to pursue this topic, please email me.
It is only a tip or about 1% of Genesis astronomy.
Post by h***@googlemail.com
According to [E. A. Wallis Budge - English Egyptologist] and other
eminent Egyptologists the ancient designation of Osiris was ASAR. But
the Egyptians invariably expressed reverence for deity by prefixing
the definite article "the" to the names of their Gods. Just as
Christians say, or should say, the Christ, they said: the Osiris.
-------------------------------------------
Is it true that the ancient Egyptians always expressed reverence by
referring to "the Osiris" rather than just "Osiris"?
I understand that Budge has been somewhat discredited and his work is
generally not cited by scholars nowadays.
Also, I understand that the "ancient designation of Osiris" has a
number of variations, including Asar, Aser, Azar, Ausar, Wesir, Ausere
and wsjr (and probably others, too). So is it not rather glib of Kuhn
and/or his sources to simply assert that "the ancient designation of
Osiris was ASAR"?
Regards,
Harold,
England.
Elijahovah
2007-06-06 22:48:06 UTC
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And

I wonder if because Cyrus who is called
the Jews Savior, and Messiah, and Anointed One,
and Christ in taking them out of Babylon
is perhaps a Ho-Cyrus or Ha-Cyrus.
Though others pronounce it as Koresh,
Ho Koresh being Ho Cyrus,
we must remember that Persia was conquered
by Greeks, and HO is Greek.
Just as Osiris is the Greek word for the
Egyptian god. Didn't Cyrus rule 30 years?
I know for a fact that for centuries the Catholics
taught Jesus was Osiris, baptized and died
in his 30th year instead of 33.
So was Cyrus regarded by Greeks as
a Pharaoh or Osiris, reborn king of kings ?
Reality concerning cultural thoughts of man
are not based on the rules of a church or a state
but on the people themselves who are all over the
board crossing topics all the time. So it is almost
impossible to say who in history is regarded as
god or lord and who insisted on using a prefix
or not.
JTEM
2007-06-07 04:15:48 UTC
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Post by Elijahovah
When looking at the Sumerian Kinglist have they
forgotten that the names begin with God and Lord.
Did your parents have any children they could be
proud of?
Agamemnon
2007-06-08 16:33:34 UTC
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"Elijahovah" <***@wi.rr.com> wrote in message news:***@q19g2000prn.googlegroups.com...

You are talking complete and utter crap.

Full bible chronology can be found here.

http://www.enthymia.co.uk/myths/bible/
Post by Elijahovah
TOPIC: PREFIXES TO GODS
Example: The and also El and Al
When looking at the Sumerian Kinglist have they forgotten
that the names begin with God and Lord. These names begin
with En or with An or with El or with Al. Even with Elohim and Allah
is El and Al just an abbreviation such as Yah and Jah for Yahweh
and for Jehovah. Abreviations or Prefixes ?
Has any one noticed that Astar is two words A-Star.
Wouldn't Asar be two words A-Sar.
We say The, but in Hebrew it is Ha and in Greek it is Ho.
Ha-Sar and Ho-Sar.
I submit the following implication that Osiris is in effect
already have its THE prefix as the word Ho-Siris or
Ho-Sirius or Ho-Saros.
If you analyze the difference between when is the moon
just a new born moon, a Horus, a baby, and when is it
a reborn moon, born again, 3 days to die and be reborn,
a ressurected Osiris you will see that anything can be
reborn and thus an Osiris, an Osiris moon, an Osiris sun,
and Osiris Saturn (Saturnalia), even arguing between
Saturday or Sunday. Ever wonder why chronology could
not make up its mind who was born 292 years after the
Flood, was it Haran or was it Abram. Its because they
couldnt figure out which one was the Born Again one
in belief of a Christ Messiah. It would appear that
Haran committed suicide in Ur to go to heaven in the
known mass suicide Wooley found carbon-14 dated
to 2030 BC. Egyptian dates match Osiris and Saturnalia
to May 6 of 2029 BC which is dated Koyak 25. Proof
that this dat ein 2029 BC is the true origin of christmas,
and suicide of Ur is not just the fact
that Saturn's orbit is reborn by passing Regulus, but the fact
that Greek Flood miscalculated by them as 2958 BC
is when Koyak 25 is given the name December 25.
Point made here, is the reborn concept, Osiris related
to man dying to be reborn. In fact Koyak 25 is in
Egyptian text as one date for reborn Osiris.
But i wish to back up, because Haran's death is not the
only reborn Osiris of Egyptians or Ur committing suicide
to go to heaven. The 292 is an answer because if ordinal
as in 292nd sothic year (291 Julian) we have a span of
3599 lunar months between 3600 new moons.
The 3600 is the same as saying Ho Sar or Ho Saros.
I am tired of cynics and critics, and childish men.
So if you wish to pursue this topic, please email me.
It is only a tip or about 1% of Genesis astronomy.
Post by h***@googlemail.com
According to [E. A. Wallis Budge - English Egyptologist] and other
eminent Egyptologists the ancient designation of Osiris was ASAR. But
the Egyptians invariably expressed reverence for deity by prefixing
the definite article "the" to the names of their Gods. Just as
Christians say, or should say, the Christ, they said: the Osiris.
-------------------------------------------
Is it true that the ancient Egyptians always expressed reverence by
referring to "the Osiris" rather than just "Osiris"?
I understand that Budge has been somewhat discredited and his work is
generally not cited by scholars nowadays.
Also, I understand that the "ancient designation of Osiris" has a
number of variations, including Asar, Aser, Azar, Ausar, Wesir, Ausere
and wsjr (and probably others, too). So is it not rather glib of Kuhn
and/or his sources to simply assert that "the ancient designation of
Osiris was ASAR"?
Regards,
Harold,
England.
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