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Amarna Letter comment suggests mass death for Amenhotep III
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Lars Wilson
2008-01-18 08:32:12 UTC
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Now that we have several pointers to Amenhotep III dying in the Red Sea at
the time of the Exodus, including a new embalming process for him uniquely
during this time, it is interesting to examine the context of a letter
referring to this death written from a king to Akhenaten right after his
death.

It's letter EA29 from Mittani: "When my brother, [Amenhotep III], went to
his fate it was reported. When I heard what aw reported... I greived,
saying, "Let even me be dead, or let 10,000 be dead in my country, and in my
brother's country 10,0000 as well, but let my brother, whome I love and who
loves me, be alive as long sa heaven and earth."

We have a letter, therefore, that gives us some context about the death of
Amenhotep III which, if he indeed was the pharaoh of the Exodus should be
consistent with his death in the Red Sea, or at least not contradictory.

Key points are:

1. The king heard of this report about his death. Meaning his death was
publicly known and possibly involving unusual circumstances.

2. He has to tell Akhenaten that he heard about the king's death. That
suggests it is a sensitive subject, and therefore, his death was an
embarrassment.

3. He then sentiments that 10,000 of his own subjects AND 10,000 Egyptians
should have died in place of the king rather than the king. That suggests
not only that he died with others, but that his death was inevitable and
puntative. This is a perfectly understandable sentiment if Amenhotep III
was seen as being punished along with others in a mass death. Of course,
you'd want to incresae the number of those who died in exchange for the life
of the king! His offering or prefering 10,000 of his own people die rather
than the king as well suggests he would be willing to make a switch, to use
those 10,000 as a ransom. That doesn't seem to fit any other scenario other
than a punitive one, which is precisely the situation with the pharaoh being
killed in the Red Sea by the god of the Jews!

Of course, if something like that really happened, you'd expect it to be
talked about by word of mouth. That's big news! The king is reporting
that this was a big story! So his death must have been public and well
known!

So, if not a confirmation, then certainly this would not contradict the Red
Sea death of Amenhotep III!

As noted above, Syncellus specifically indicates that Amenhotep III was the
pharaoh of the Exodus, dating the Exodus in his last year. Akhenaten's
conversion to monotheism nicely reflects a response to the Ten Plagues by a
god who was a monotheist.

Lars Wilson
JTEM
2008-01-18 17:59:57 UTC
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Post by Lars Wilson
Now that
One look at your posting history and it's pretty clear you're
not so much interested in discussing as you are recruiting.

You act like the town crier.... as if you're enlightening the
masses with your crap.

Take it to a bible newsgroup, where it belongs.
Lars Wilson
2008-01-19 12:30:23 UTC
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Post by Lars Wilson
Now that
One look at your posting history and it's pretty clear you're
not so much interested in discussing as you are recruiting.
You act like the town crier.... as if you're enlightening the
masses with your crap.
Take it to a bible newsgroup, where it belongs.
I happen to know what I'm talking about. Ever wonder why Xenophon and
Plato both preserve the dialogues of Socrates? Were they doing him a favor?
The dialogues were written by Socrates. No, you wouldn't have noticed that
because I can tell you're a speedreader. They were EDITING out his
historical
data so they could move him back into time 28 years. The Greek Period is
thus
56 years too long, that's why so many people know so many other people who
died before they were born, or are consulted for math problems before they
were
born (look up the "Delian Problem").

So yes, I want to enlighten people, but some people are dull-headed and
don't
bother to check things out before they decide it's crap. The question is,
are you
smarter than ME, or am I smarter than YOU? (Don't bother, I'll answer
that).

Anyway, last time I checked the Amarna Letters came from Egypt. So this is
pertinent.
If you don't think I contribute anything then STAY OUT OF MY POSTS!!! It's
very
simple. Ignore me....

Let others with a bit more intellect see if they can benefit from the
cutting edge or not,
something you seem a bit incapable of doing at the moment. Though I like
your posts,
personally.

Nothing personal.

Cheerio!

Lars Wilson
JTEM
2008-01-19 22:40:53 UTC
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Post by Lars Wilson
Anyway, last time I checked the Amarna Letters came from Egypt.
You mean they were found in Egypt, don't you?

But what do you care? They're nothing more than background to you,
a canvas at best, something on which to lay the picture of your
fantasy world.

It's not the letters that concerns you.
Lars Wilson
2008-01-20 01:01:51 UTC
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Post by JTEM
Post by Lars Wilson
Anyway, last time I checked the Amarna Letters came from Egypt.
You mean they were found in Egypt, don't you?
But what do you care? They're nothing more than background to you,
a canvas at best, something on which to lay the picture of your
fantasy world.
It's not the letters that concerns you.
Fine. You are characterizing this but offering no rebuttal. Sure I have a
viewpoint, but doesn't everybody. Does every medical student wanting to
become a doctor have a motive? Of course. You'd say they were all just
interested in the money or using their position to see naked patients
legitimately. Anyone can mischaracterize, but it doesn't mean it's true.

In the meantime, it is clear what your "agenda" is. There's a fight going
on in the ring and you're describing noise levels of the crowd. Do FOCUS.

The Exodus DID occur. It historically happened in the 1st of Akhenaten,
killing Amenhotep III in the Red Sea. After seeing the miraculous ten
plagues, especially impressed with the three days of total darkness,
Akhenaten was convinced to become a monotheist. He did one more than that
and became such a believer he became a high-priest to is new god. His god
communicated with him. His own words are that his god told him to build an
altar in the middle of Egypt, nobody else. So if his god is talking to
him, and it's the same god as the Jewish god, seems to me he'd inspire
similar adoration in the psalms, right? Well that's one thing this is most
comparable with Akhenaten and the Jews, similarlities in their psalm/hymms.
There were differences, sure, but the basics are there.

When Akhenaten was obliterated historically from Egyptian history, likely
mention of the Jews leaving Egypt and the ten plagues was destroyed for
political reasons as well. So there is a clear "disturbance" here in the
"business as usual landscape" at this point and we can now confirm and
poinpoint the dating. It's wonderful. It's wonderful if you want to move
forward rather than stay in a dark closet with the door closed and not keep
up, that is.

Lars Wilson
JTEM
2008-01-20 04:51:11 UTC
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Fine.  You are characterizing this but offering no rebuttal.
You're a dishonest sack of shit, as I've demonstrated many
times, including in another thread just today.

You refute yourself... with your overt agenda... your rank
dishonesty.
Lars Wilson
2008-01-21 09:32:32 UTC
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Hi JTEM. As the educated world knows: "TALK IS CHEAP". Simply
announcing to the world from your mouth that I'm "wrong" isn't good enough.
I have my sources. Where are YOURS? Nowhere. So thanks for your
unsupported opinion of me, noting in passing, that those who are frustrated
and don't have their asses covered well usually are angry and start
namecalling like you have. Of course, you're upset, because I'm on my game
and you have nothing...

Cheerio... Thanks for making my day! KEEP RUNNING!

Lars Wilson
Fine. You are characterizing this but offering no rebuttal.
You're a dishonest sack of shit, as I've demonstrated many
times, including in another thread just today.

You refute yourself... with your overt agenda... your rank
dishonesty.

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